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Written by Phil (6845 comments posted) 7th October 2007 |
Ah, that argument. Here in the UK we had a laddette culture for a while - for all I know, it's still going strong.
Well put.
Phil. |
Written by Josie (2825 comments posted) 7th October 2007 |
| I may be "old fashioned" (and I am) - but isn't there something nice about finding a girl who combines beauty with sweetness? Or do men want women as mothers for their children, who have been around, sleeping with every Tom Dick or Harry, and spending Saturday evening/Sunday morning lying in a gutter drunk? I have a feeling that things may change quickly when women such as these are not any longer seen as "sex symbols". |
Sadly
Written by audrie (454 comments posted) 7th October 2007 |
you are right. It is so upsetting to see these young women aping men. If only they could see themselves, smell themselves, ( of vomit smoke and beer.)they would be shocked!
Oh well, we can only hope they will grow up soon! |
Written by Fledermaus (3448 comments posted) 7th October 2007 |
Thanks Phil, Josie and Audrie.
A few years ago Sex and the City was a hype (especially amongst women), so I watched a few episodes. There is a certain humour in it yes, but as a guy, I thought the main characters were repulsive. So I wonder why so many women (which ones?) claimed to recognize themselves in them. Even Bridget Jones is less pathetic... |
Oh
Written by Fledermaus (3448 comments posted) 7th October 2007 |
btw. I've been thinking too much today... But the main thing I wondered about was why so called 'feminists' seem to prefer 'masculine' behaviour, even the bad side, over 'feminine' behaviour.
I mean: Wouldn't both men AND women prefer people to be like what Josie refers to as 'combining beauty and sweetness', with extra stress on sweetness?
Confused  |
HI Fledermaus
Written by jean.day (2327 comments posted) 8th October 2007 |
| This is a very powerful poem. Butas far as to whether women would prefer to be seen as beautiful and sweet - I find that image so stereotyped and inappropriate to most women - that it is objectionable to me too. Women want to have the good qualities of men - their independance and their confidence. They want to be judged on what they do and not how they look. But most of them have a core of tenderness and that is what they are throwing away when they become loutish in their behaviour, I think. |
Length of line...
Written by Bats (13 comments posted) 8th October 2007 |
Short lines work well in the first stanza - they suit fast one-night-stands well but the second and third stanzas are where you want the reader to slow down and philosophise, I assume, so short lines skate the reader past - maybe a longer line to make them dwell a bit. The rhyme seems to be driving the meaning as well, especially in the second stanza, I'm not sure what it's trying to get me to think about.
I think that using laddettes, a very small minority, to diminish the whole movement, 'Women's rights/Those futile fights' is very courageous!!! |
Written by Fledermaus (3448 comments posted) 8th October 2007 |
Thanks Jean and Bats.
Jean: Note that in my comment I put emphasis on sweetness. When I wrote this I was wondering about 'feminine' and what 'masculine' attitudes, behaviour, vices and virtues, and I thought typically 'feminine' virtues are under-valued, whereas 'masculine' ones are overrated to such an extend that even negative 'masculine' behaviour is nowadays seen as 'manly' and thus as 'good'.
Bats: I had thought too deeply when I wrote this and the subject still confuses me now when I try to reply, yet the main point of the poem is: Why act like (a twisted image of) men?
I have a weak spot for real tomboyish and confident women, but not for fakes, who copy (the bad sides of perceived) male behaviour rather than follow their hearts... |
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