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National identity crisis
By Fledermaus
10 October 2007
My appologies to anyone who had reviewed it already. I accidently removed it while trying to correct some errors. Embarassed

Her royal highness, the Latin blonde Maxima of Orange-Nassau has upset the nation. In a speech she claimed the Dutch identity does not exist and appearantly she tossed around some not too flattering stereotypes about greed and meddlesomeness. I didn't hear the princess herself, so I can't comment on that, but ultra-nationalist MP Wilders called the speech "tea-table talk" and tricked his opponents into reacting. Thus the debate about the Dutch identity was launched once again...

All foreigners who apply for Dutch citizenship or certain sorts of residence permits have to take the so called  'inburgeringstest'. It's one of those horrible Dutch words which are every now and then invented by politicians. If I were to translate it literally it would be something like 'in-citizen-ing test'. It roughly means foreigners have to learn about Dutch values and language.

Of course, at first sight, this seems a good plan: After all, it's in their own interest to know something of the country where they want to live. Yet whereas I have no objection to teaching people the Dutch language, I have very serious doubts about teaching them so called ' Dutch values'. For the things those people have to learn are ridiculous: Why do the Dutch celebrate New Year with fireworks? How many biscuits do you present with tea? Do you have to clean the street in front of your house?

One such test was once presented on TV as a quiz and the public was divided up into different groups. The result was that the native people from the Zeeland province scored worst, whereas Chinese immigrants scored best. So those Chinese knew more about the Dutch than the Dutch themselves, and moreover, according to that quiz, if those Zeelanders would have to apply for Dutch citizenship, they'd fail!

Amidst all this talk about the Dutch identity, they lost me. Although almost half of me is ethnically Dutch, I am beginning to feel less and less connected to this country and its government. Perhaps that is because I am currently rediscovering that other half, but I think it also has to do something with the changing attitudes of the Dutch themselves.

Many are nowadays far from the tidy, stuborn, hardworking and somewhat ignorant people they were once suposed to be. Gone are the clean pavements, the punctuality and the full churches on sundays. What stayed behind were the greediness and business, the arrogance and the coldness. Already just accross the border, their Flemish brothers refer to them as lazy, rude, uneducated and terrible arrogant, a view shared by many expats and immigrants.

Meanwhile though, the Dutch choose to look the other way. All problems in this country are blamed on the immigrants in general and those which are Muslim or black in particular. Immigrant youths are labeled criminal, disrespectful and uninterested... Allright, they have some point; There are a lot of troublemakers within the migrant communities, but aren't we forgetting something? What about the native youths? Are they such great examples of good behaviour? Those white teens with their tracksuits and their baseball caps, littering the streets, throwing insults and worse things at people? Why don't I hear mr. Wilders about them? Because their skin is pale and they don't wear beards?

If I am already beginning to doubt my Dutchness, then what about those young men and women who do not have 'native' relatives and friends? What abouts those Muslims who are constantly blamed for all sorts of things as a group rather than as individuals? What about those Africans and Latin Americans who are discriminated against because of their dark skin? Don't give me that "we don't discriminate" nonsense. Years of forced political correctness didn't root out racism. On the contrary: It caused it to grow and grow and I'm afraid that what we are seeing nowadays is just the tip of the iceberg.

The Dutch identity... Does mr. Wilders think people wish to adopt a culture which doesn't respect itself? A culture which doesn't even know its own identity? A culture which in spite of these things considers itself superior to the thousands of years of civilization of their own? A culture which seems to have lost its moral compass and national pride? A culture so inflexible that it refuses to change? A culture which seems to be in decline? A culture which discriminates others?

If you want people to adopt this culture, you will have to set a good example yourself. Truly superior cultures aren't afraid of the other. They don't force people to assimilate, but invite them to join.

Reviews

Written by Phil (6963 comments posted) 10th October 2007
A shorter version of my original post: :upset :grin  
 
Thought provoking stuff, and a piece that could be applied to many European countries, including the UK. I think that events such as these (not your piece) are used not as a tool to explore national identity, but as an excuse to place blame at the door of a suitable minority. About time we looked a little deeper than the colour of skin. 
 
Phil.

Written by Fledermaus (3492 comments posted) 10th October 2007
Thanks Phil, 
And again sorry that I deleted the earlier version. The most ironic thing about people such as Wilders (or Haider or Le Penn and so on) is that whereas they claim that 'migrants' should assimilate, they actually alienate them. 
Another irony in this case is that the claim was made by the crown-princess. So by critisizing her, mr. Wilders actually critisizes a symbol of the nation, for that's the main function of the royal house. 
 
As I usually try to follow the British news, I was surprised that similar things happen in the UK (and perhaps even on a worse scale), for there are stories of especially highly educated African immigrants who were so sick and tired of the Dutch immigration authorities that they left for the UK and were welcomed by the local communities over there. 
National Pride!
Written by Bagheera (683 comments posted) 10th October 2007
:grin Nothing wrong with the principle! 8)  
 
I chose to go and live in Denmark (many years ago now!) and so, before I went, I took the trouble to learn enough of the language to get by and something of the values, traditions and general customs of Danish society so I could appreciate their points of view....... 
 
One thing I learnt and STILL think is a VERY positive Danish attribute. They have an EXCELLENT education system, and NOBODY leaves school without passing an exam in a broad spectrum subject entitled "Civic Responsibilities" - one of FIVE compulsory subjects which you MUST pass in order to obtain a School Leaving Certificate (along with Danish, English, Maths and either a General Science or a General Humanities choice). 
 
"Ask not what my country can do for me, but rather what I can do for my country"  
 
Inaugural Address by John F. Kennedy - January 20th 1961 
 
One of the wisest things ANY politician EVER said! 
 
There are many "convenience immigrants" both in the UK and in other European countries who could benefit from attempting to follow these guidelines ................. :sigh

Written by Fledermaus (3492 comments posted) 11th October 2007
Thanks Bagheera. 
The principle is probably good, and if/when I would move to another country I would certianly try to learn as much as I can about its customs and history, but the thing is that with this 'inburgerings' programme, people have to learn ridiculous things. Many of the 'wrong' answers I would consider generous or hospitable rather than ill-adapted. 
In that TV quiz the native Dutch scored worst! As a group the Chinese scored best and of the 'famous people' category, the best was an Aruban girl (I realy laughed when the group 'West-Indians' came up to the stage and draped an Aruban flag over her shoulders. So far for 'inburgering' :grin). 
Sadly though, if this had been a serious test, everyone who failed would have been sent back. 
 
Furthermore there seems to be this growing anti-immigrant attitude. I have not experienced much racism myself, but I have heard from black people that they are often treated differently. One African guy moved to the US and said people cared a lot less about him being black over there. 
 
I don't mind the Dutch wanting to teach people about their culture, but what I do mind is that they often refuse to look inside and see what they could learn themselves.
Interesting
Written by alexis_grey (30 comments posted) 11th October 2007
This whole post was very interesting to me because the Australian Federal Government is currently trying to implement a similar system of testing people wishing to apply for Australian citizenship, with varying degrees of success.  
 
I'm not sure whether or not ours is unfair, or discriminatory, because whilst the media likes to report about the numerous people for and against, it fails to actually state what is actually in the quiz in the majority of their reports.  
 
Another thing that interested me about this post is that in the community I am a part of, people rarely mention the Dutch and when they do, it is usually in passing. Little is known by the average person around me about the Dutch political climate or in fact much about the everyday Dutch person. In fact, I'm hard pressed to tell you much about that general area of the world apart from the fact that the Crown Princess Mary lives somewhere near there. (?) 
 
Overall, the only thing i know is that racism should not be tolerated or exist on any level and it angers me when I hear that there are people who cannot accept that we all have our differences. Differences are what makes us unique and should be embraced, differences are the only thing we all have in common. It greatly saddens me that as a result of some people's idiocy/inability to accept this due to some sort of jealousy or prejudice, that others are subjected to harsh and uncalled for treatment. 
 
I'm unsure of where I lie politically speaking, but I will tell you that this has definately motivated me to look more into my society more. An interesting piece of writing and certainly passionate, we can only hope that MP Wilders won't stumble across this site whilst in a bad mood. 
 
P.S. I agree with Bagheera regarding the quote. It was indisputably one of the wisest comments made by any politician, but considering politicians struggle to say anything wise I suppose that only increases my awe of it. In turn, I shall leave a quote of my own: 
 
"Politics is far too important to be left to the politicans." 
-some guy I can't remember.  
 
P.P.S. Sorry for rambling!
Error in my previous review
Written by alexis_grey (30 comments posted) 11th October 2007
"to look more into my society more." 
 
Please ignore the extra 'more'.
.... well, .....
Written by Bagheera (683 comments posted) 11th October 2007
 
........... you might have intended "mores" ( = 'customs') which would have made excellent sense , in context!! :grin 8)

Written by Fledermaus (3492 comments posted) 11th October 2007
Thanks Alexis, 
We are at the other side of the world of course, and I don't think that over here we often hear about Australia either. I used to have some prejudices about it, based on the few things I did know, but when I mentioned them to an Australian with respect to the Cornulla riots, he was rather surprised. I supose that the further away a country is, the more one sided the news... Last thing I heard of Australian immigration policy as that one of the ministers was going to South-East and Central Asia to show people pictures of dangerous animals to scare them off. :grin  
 
Mary is the crown princess of Denmark, isn't she? Seems crown princes seek their brides far away: Princess Maxima is from Argentina. At least royals aren't bothered by cultural differences. 
 

Written by Josie (2847 comments posted) 11th October 2007
A Load Off your Chest and No Mistake!
Written by Josie (2847 comments posted) 11th October 2007
Look here Fledermaus, I hope you are feeling a whole lot better now, having got a load off your chest!!! ha ha But what you are saying is probably right, and England has changed too. I remember my first aeroplane flight to Rotterdam. I had met this wonderful blonde. 6'3" young man from Zevenbergen, (Marius Kremers if he's reading) -but I'm afraid that I left him there as his mother and sisters waited on him hand and foot - not what I was looking for. ha ha. But I remember Breda Railway Station. They had a restaurant right on the station, and outside were all these lovely little tables with starched white cloths on them. I've never been anywhere so clean as Holland used to be. Oh, what a shame that it has changed! I had better not go back; just keep my memories. (I expect he's a pensioner now, ha ha).
Hello Again!
Written by alexis_grey (30 comments posted) 12th October 2007
Hello Again!
Written by alexis_grey (30 comments posted) 12th October 2007
I think I might have accidentally posted this review twice by pressing the "Enter" button instead of "Tab". Whoops! 
 
Yes, I'm afraid that the Cronulla Riots will forever be remembered as a horrible moment in Australian history. Not to say however, that worse things haven't been done to minority groups in Australia since the British settlement some two hundred plus years ago. It's truly horrible. 
 
Interesting hearing about the animal pictures though.

Written by Fledermaus (3492 comments posted) 12th October 2007
Hi Josie. 
Breda is still a very nice town. Somehow things are different in the south I think. They always had that reputation of hospitality and relaxedness and enjoy life. The station over there may not be that pretty anymore, but somehow that region is still very nice. I have wanted to write something about the cultural differences between the west and the south of the Netherlands for some time now, for although at first sight they might not seem so big, but when you look closer, Hollanders and Brabanders are very different. 
 
Alexis: Yes, it's exactly Australia's history, as well as some things I heard from an Indonesian who met the wrong people over there which caused me to have prejudices for a long time. Not even Skippy and the Flying doctors couldn't correct them for a long time :)
HI Fledermaus
Written by jean.day (2366 comments posted) 13th October 2007
I seemed to have missed this first time around.  
 
I am one of the people who has recently chosen to become an English citizen - and I didn't have to take a test. But they wanted proof that I could read English - wouldn't take my word for it - so I provided a copy of my Post Graduate Certificate in Education and they had to admit that I was okay on that aspect. I have heard that things have tightened up since then (4 years ago) and that an exam is now being used.  
 
I have an English friend who recently took American citizenship and she had to take an exam. I think there were 20 questions and if you got one wrong, you failed - but the questions were always the same, so all you had to do was memorise what they wanted to have written down - and of course, you had to be able to write it in English.

Written by Fledermaus (3492 comments posted) 14th October 2007
Thanks Jean. LOL, having an American or English peron to do an English test to see if she knows the language. But it happens indeed. I think Surinamese are required to take a test in the Netherlands too, even though Dutch is their national language...
erm ...........
Written by Bagheera (683 comments posted) 14th October 2007
:grin [quote] " ... having an American or English peron to do an English test ...." [end quote] :p  
 
Sorry, I always thought EVA had Argentinian citizenship???? 
(I'll get my coat ............. :roll )

Written by Fledermaus (3492 comments posted) 18th October 2007
Hi Bagheera, 
Maxima you mean? She was Argentinian yes. It was in reply to Jean's comment that I talked about americans. ;)
EVA Peron, Batty ...
Written by fellpony (1721 comments posted) 19th October 2007
Bags is commenting on your typo, "peron" for "person". 
 
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