Ironically I wrote this while I should be studying for an exam. So far for hypocrisy... I'm bloody lazy myself :p
Slightly adjusted... Removed the most politically incorect stuff...
A few days ago I met an old friend. In primary school he was my best
friend and initially we went to the same highschool, the most
prestigeous one in town. Yet as Latin was an obligatory subject there,
and back then I wasn't so fond of languages as I am now, I dropped out.
Now he is a succesful financial adviser and makes an enormous lot of
money (compared to other people his age). The secret of his succes? His
dad.
In those days, when we were kids, I came home, tossed my bag into a
corner and started playing computer games. He on the other hand was
brought up with Hindu values: First study, then play. He didn't just
have to do his homework from school, oh no... His dad had made copies
of all math books and he had to make extra exercises every day.
Similarly for another good friend, who was brought up with Chinsese
values and went to that same prestigeous highschool, just like all his
brothers and sisters. His mum taught him math and at satudays he had to
learn how to write characters. They lived in a small appartement and
had to share their bedrooms, but eventually all of them went to
university and became doctors and programmers.
With me it turned out all right too, as I got two master degrees now. I
should also thank my parents for that, for my dad kept telling that if
did not get good marks, I'd disgrace the family. He was always the best
at school, and in China, oh in good old China, kids who failed their
tests were humiliated. They were placed on a red chair right in front
of the class so the whole next year they'd feel the shame of not having
passed.
The fish which swam up the river and could not jump over the
waterfall... In turn it had to wear a red dot on its forehead as a
symbol of its failure... Later on I met people who had had their entire
educational career in the PRC. From 6am till 10pm they were in school
and then made homework till sometimes as late as 4am. And with good
reason, for every university had quota and one had to belong to the
top. Imagine that: Hundreds of millions of competitors to beat!
Here in the West, we hear stories about young people killing themselves
or getting mad from the pressure, but I wonder: Is it realy so bad?
Of course one cannot always be the best of the best, but at least one
can try to... Some Western people are terribly competitive too. What to think of
Americans? And I once had a (Dutch) girlfriend who was told to 'win'
every morning. She ended up with two MSc-degrees and a PhD, a further
scientific career ensured.
Yet when I look around me and listen to the news, I wonder... Are
children nowadays encouraged to be dumb rather than smart? Studying is
for nerds,
brainy people are geeks and the youth rather watches MTV than that they
go to the library. Teenagers brag about not studying and who fails is a
tough guy. Kids take gangstas and whoes as their role models and the
government is slowly deconstructing the educational system.
They wonder why society is deteriorating... Well, I can answer that:
Many Dutch kids aren't taught to study anymore and they aren't taught
discipline.
Some call more traditional societies backwards because they haven't
lost their traditions and values, just as they laugh about those native
Dutch who cling to their Protestant or Catholic roots... I wonder... Is losing your core values
not a sign of a civilization in decline? So who is the backward
civilization here?
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Written by Phil (6629 comments posted) 22nd October 2007 |
Thought provoking piece Fledermaus. (I don't think losing your core traditional values is a backward step, so long as they are replaced by something more worthy.) Well argued to bring the piece to its (slightly) controversial end. A bit of a proof needed. Phil |
Written by Bottleblondesurfer (3288 comments posted) 22nd October 2007 |
This starts off very well with some honest and impartial observations but unfortunately descends into "grumpy old man" mode towards the end with some ill thought out editorial e.g "Is losing your core values not a sign of a civilization in decline?" Well that depends on what your core values are,doesn't it? The Nazis core values are lost to the Germans. I would claim that's a good thing. Core values aren't a good thing per se. "Why do I never see Asians destroying bus stops, burning cars or throwing bricks? Maybe. but I never see Dutch kids strapping explosives to themselves as sucide bombers.They don't indulge in honour killings and they treat their women with respect and love. I could go on but there are two sides to every arguement and if you are blind to that you are the same as the people you condemn. cheers Jane
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P.S. Too much study Written by Bottleblondesurfer (3288 comments posted) 22nd October 2007 |
Incidentally China has one of the highest sucide rates among children due to the pressure to succeed at all costs. "Every action has an opposite and equal reaction"--Newtons Law |
Written by Fledermaus (3229 comments posted) 22nd October 2007 |
Thanks Phil, BBS. Of course every coin has two sides, and I more than once heard people from the PRC say that "Dutch enjoy life more". I sometimes deliberately choose a one sided view to get people (including myself) thinking. The blokes nowadays causing trouble in Amsterdam aren't 'native' Dutchmen btw, but they aren't Asians either. The phrase 'backward civilization' is mainly in reference to Pim Fortuyn, who used it to describe islam. Later it was taken out of context and hijacked by right wing politicians. Never heard of any Hindu or Chinese suicide bombers or honour killings in the West btw... |
Written by Toad (100 comments posted) 22nd October 2007 |
I enjoyed reading this. Here in the U.S. things are very similar in these regards. I think that there is a divide between those who highly value academic success and those who don't, and both parties resent the other. What's sad is that in many poor urban communities the opportunity to receive a good education from the public school system doesn't exist. -Toad |
Written by Fledermaus (3229 comments posted) 22nd October 2007 |
Thanks Toad. All Americans I ever met so far were very well educated and interested to learn. Europeans sometimes joke about Americans' presumed lack of knowledge about other countries, but I noticed that often they know a lot more about Europe than the Europeans themselves, while you'll probably need to search hard for an European who knows who general Lee or Tecumseh are... Yet of course the Americans who travel may also be the same as those who are educated |
HI Fledermaus Written by jean.day (2253 comments posted) 27th October 2007 |
I enjoyed this - and having come from an American educational background, I think I fall into the category of people who learn the minimum to get by. I only started learning properly things that I had a genuine interest in, later in life. My sister lives in Portland where there are many Vietnamese and other Asians now living. She was incensed that these kids are winning all the scholarships and all the prizes at school. She said that the foreigners don't appreciate all the many facets of American life - and therefore, by concentrating all their energy into learning and getting good grades, they mess up the system for the white Americans. ( I was going to say native - but decided that wouldn't be correct.) How fun to have you mention Tecumseh. |
And lastly . . . . Written by Josie (2721 comments posted) 28th October 2007 |
| I failed my 11 plus and the "disgrace" haunted me. We were made to feel we had been thrown on the rubbish pile. I wanted to be a teacher from the time I was 5. At secondary school it was pointed out that it would be impossible. I was teaching subjects I had never even studied at school when I was 21. My mother taught me: Everything is possible if you work hard enough. I think that knowing your goal in life is the best incentive. When we give examples of "success" as people who are earning most money, it is a poor example of achievement. I think that putting Christian values (or muslim etc) should be classed as achievement. You can earn a lot of money and be a poor citizen. Let's set our values of achievement for different things, ie Jane Tomlinson. |
Written by Fledermaus (3229 comments posted) 28th October 2007 |
Thanks Jean and Josie. Jean: I think people in Asia study a lot harder than most 'Asians' in the West, so it probably doesn't have to do with appreciating the culture where one is in or not (or else it'd mean that Asians do not appreciate their own cultures either). As for Tecumseh. I once got a bunch of old children's books (aimed at teens I think) with Tecumseh as the main character. Before then I hadn't even heard of Shawnee. And as far as I knew Hiawatah was the little native American boy from Walt Disney pictures. Never heard of the great chief of the Five Nations either... We never learned those things in School, while Americans on the other hand do learn who Napoleon was Josie: That's an important point: However rich someone is, if he lacks moral qualities, he's still a poor citizen. Or as Confucius put it: "The gentleman understands what is moral. The small man understands what is profitable."
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