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Disappointment for Margaret - Scoundrel or Saint - Chapter 13
By jean.day
21 December 2007
 
I have had a letter back from Edward’s sister, Catharine Torlesse, and what a bitter blow it is to me.
I have copied it out word for word.

15 May, 1863
St. Mary’s Vicarage
Stoke By Nayland, Suffolk

Dear Miss Forbes

Thank you for your letter of the 10 of April of this year. I was very surprised to hear of the project you have undertaken. You asked for my support in the continuation of it, but I am afraid that I must tell you that I think you are very much misled if you think this is the right task for you.

Forgive my frankness, but from your letter, you sound as if you have had only a basic schooling. Are you aware of just how famous a man my brother was? He wrote many, many books. He was so important in Australia and New Zealand that they named rivers and streets after him. There will be many scholars who will have taken on the task of writing about his life.

You say you have a few letters from him to your father - and you think them worthy of publication. I have had hundreds of letters from him - all through his life - and surely those will be the ones that will be of importance to those who write his biography.

As far as providing you with the details of his years from 1845 until his death - it would be a mammoth task and I am not up to it physically, even if I approved of your idea. He did so much. I cannot only think that it is your very naivety that makes you even think of taking on this onerous task.

I can tell you this. His last 10 years were spent in New Zealand, a country he almost founded, and certainly was very instrumental in how it was constructed and run.

During his last five years he was not at all well.

My only suggestion to you, is that you might contact his son, Edward Jermingham Wakefield who lives at 7 Kilmore Street, Christchurch, New Zealand. He misses his father so much, and it might be that it would help his grief for him to write about him. He too loves writing letters, as Edward did, and he might be willing to answer your questions.

I won’t say good luck with your project, as I think it foolhardy, but if you do succeed and get someone to publish your father’s letters, then of course, I would very much like to have a copy of the book, so keep me informed.

Yours faithfully,

Catharine T Torlesse

How little she values my idea! Is she correct in her thinking? Am I wasting my time and effort for something that no one will be interested in publishing? I knew that he was somewhat famous, but it never occurred to me that many others would even now be writing up the story of his life.

But having gone this far, I can at least write to his son and see if he is a bit more helpful to me.

Here is the next in the series of letters to Pa.

“December, 1833

Dear Daniel

England and America is the name of my latest book, which I have published anonymously. It is a work primarily intended to develop my colonial theory, which is done in the appendix entitled "The Art of Colonization."

The body of the work is fruitful in seminal ideas, though the critics say some statements may be rash and some conclusions extravagant. It contains the distinct proposal that the transport of letters should be wholly gratuitous and that, under given circumstances, "the Americans would raise cheaper corn than has ever been raised."

I wish, however, to try out my ideas by founding a new colony in South Australia. Negotiations with the Colonial Office in 1831 and 1832 broke down, but the publication of England and America, in which I further developed my ideas, has revived interest.

I suppose it might be true to say that rather than providing new ideas, it is more a careful decoction of existing idea, practices and proposals. England and America provides selective reading on contemporary writings on America, meant to demonstrate how emigration and settlement up to then was badly conducted, in contrast to my own idealized vision of how colonies should be peopled.

I nearly called my book - England and `Ignorant, Dirty, Unsocial, Restless, and more than Half-Savage' America. But I need to court friends on both sides of the Atlantic.
 
Your friend

Edward Gibbon”

Reviews

Written by Fledermaus (3281 comments posted) 22nd December 2007
Now that's arrogant :eek Or is she perhaps scared of any skeletons falling out of the cupboard? 
 
I began to wonder about this mr. Gibbon, also taking in consideration your replies. From the beginning I assumed he was fictional, but I'm beginning to doubt that more and more. Is he? The only Edward Gibbon I could find on a swift google lived a century earlier... 
 
Thanks Fledermaus
Written by jean.day (2279 comments posted) 22nd December 2007
He definately was real - but his full name was Edward Gibbon Wakefield. But because his father was also Edward, he was always given both names. Or sometimes he was referred to as EG. 
 
I have a feeling that I read that the Edward Gibbon you found was a relative of this guy (and he was probably named after him) - he certainly came from a very impressive background.  
 
The only fictional part of my story is Margaret's wanting to write a book - and the letters to her father. She and her family were real - but I just picked them from the listing of shopkeepers in Disley in 1827 from a historical directory, because I could trace them through the next few decades.  
 
Everything that I write about what Edward Gibbon did, is based on fact, although I sometimes put words in his mouth that he probably didn't speak - but might have done. I am trying to be true to how I see him as a person.

Written by Phil (6719 comments posted) 22nd December 2007
It's interesting that I am forming an opinion of Wakefield without even knowing what he achieved. (Still resisted Googling him) I wonder if the opinion I'm forming is the one you have. 
 
Miss Torlesse: as Fledermaus said - very arrogant - but I suppose in those days, those of the upper classes often spoke down to mere shop keepers. 
 
This is making for an interesting read Jean. Look forward to the next part. 
 
Phil

Written by Lizzy (793 comments posted) 22nd December 2007
Glad to hear more of Margaret, I must admit to reading the letters quickly to get to Margaret's opinions and actions. I know that she is the 'semi' fictional character but she comes over as a very real person. 
Lizzy
Thanks Phil and Lizzy
Written by jean.day (2279 comments posted) 23rd December 2007
I'm very pleased that you are continuing to read it.  
 

Written by bluecity (376 comments posted) 23rd December 2007
I don't find it in the least surprising that Miss Torlesse didn't want Margaret researching her famous (or infamous) relative. It wouldn't be just that she was afraid of skeletons falling out of cupboards but she would just be standing on her dignity, not wanting someone "in trade" being "familiar". So I think she was written quite well. 
 
The only thing I was concerned with that she gave out Edward Gibbon's son's address. If she was really fobbing Margaret off, she wouldn't have done that. Also, even nowadays, it is normal practice, when putting two strangers in touch, to consult with both parties before giving out an address.  
 
Happy Christmas! 
 
Rosemary
Thanks Rosemary
Written by jean.day (2279 comments posted) 24th December 2007
I htink you are right - but I wanted Margaret to get in contact with the son, and couldn't think of another route. I think she would have been unlikely to write to him directly, as she did to Margaret. I could have Margaret say she will see if the son is willing to write to her, and have it all drag on for a few more chapters - but for the time being, I will leave it as it is, and give it more thought once I get onto the next part.

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