Reposted and updated!

This is meant to provoke, so my Flame Suit is on!
I sigh at the repeated crimes
of those who think, “because it rhymes
it’s Poetry” – and think it right
that they commit in black and white
the murder of the Lyric Muse
with every hackneyed word they use.
The TV ads all sound much worse
when couched in awful doggerel verse
where clichéed lines of metre plain
force words to fit a set quatrain.
If people must write verse at all,
They should take care where stresses fall,
And even more try not to pad
Short lines with words like “so” – so sad,
So sweet, so high, so low, so poor –
More than the reader can endure.
Making good poems is a skill
That cannot be assumed at will,
And many people’s work declares
They cannot even match Pam Ayres.
Listeners won’t tolerate for long
The man who only knows one song
And always sings it out of tune –
Why should bad poets be immune?
If one would like them to be mute
Why should one not throw rotten fruit?
I do not blame the BBC
For poets’ mediocrity –
Just as I do not blame the Tate
For its peculiar claims of late
About what is and isn’t Art –
Because it’s evidently part
Of this insidious malaise
Where black and white are similar greys.
We shrink from judging “bad” or “good”;
Wrongdoers must be “understood”
Not punished; and the sluggard’s ways
Sweetened with undiluted praise.
No wonder no-one scales the heights
Of excellence. No prize invites
Because they all are won with ease
Where mediocrity can please.
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Written by Bottleblondesurfer (3362 comments posted) 16th March 2008 |
A witty, informative and well structured admonition to us all, especially in that last verse where you it moved away from just poetry, to comment on the current acceptance of mediocrity. In fact now the mediocre is hailed with superlatives. If someone shows a modicum of abitlity they are hailed as a superstar. Thank you for this timely warning.I had just finished a bit of 'verse' and was kidding myself that is wasn't too bad. I now realilse how bad it is. God bless the delete key! cheers Jane |
Written by Diddi (80 comments posted) 16th March 2008 |
| Ouch! I have a lot to learn, but I am keen to do so. I echo the previous comment. |
No Need to Sigh Written by Josie (2786 comments posted) 16th March 2008 |
| No need to sigh for the reading public know very well what constitutes "good" from "bad" and don't need educating. There are two figures at the side of each poem: hits and reviews. They usually give an idea, for people only have to read any poor work ONCE to decide. If you bought a bad product once, would you go to the same shop again? Market researchers would use the figures on this website to make their qualified guesses I'm sure. So pay attention and learn from this would-be writers. |
Written by Veronica_Milvus (637 comments posted) 16th March 2008 |
If I could write as well as Pam I'd be as happy as a clam. Agreed with Josie, that our vote will indicate the poets of note. |
Written by gutterkitty (362 comments posted) 16th March 2008 |
| It's a sound poem but I feel like there's such a lot of writing like this. It seems like people spend more time debating what good poetry is than actually writing or reading it. Not saying you're one of those- just that the debate feels a bit tired after a while... |
As applied o GW..... Written by Phil (6730 comments posted) 16th March 2008 |
It's an odd thing, Sue. I've written two pieces to inflame, irritate, annoy and generally challenge some of the half witted would be poets who come to stay with us from time to time. Not because their work is awful, I can't do much better, but because they claim to be wonderful and so far developed that improvement is impossible. So what's odd? Both these pieces didn't fire a candle let alone a flame thrower - no suit was required. I suspect the same will happen this time. This pierce won't hit the radar of the fully developed lauriate(s) in waiting - they'll see it well below them and directed at someone else. Still, it is an amusing read. I like it. The strong beat supported the strong words. What ever happened to Pammy? Did she actually make living out of her verse? All I can remember is: Oooo, I wish I'd looked after me teeth And spotted the perils beneath Perhaps a certain Irish member holds the answer. Have you read any of his reviews of late? No praise for mediocrity there. Or is that type of judgement to be frowned upon? Phil |
Flame On! Written by NathanRoberts (277 comments posted) 16th March 2008 |
Poor old Pam Ayres...and postmodernist Art, too! Popularism gets it, but so does the so-called avant garde! Yes, the judgement of 'bad' and 'good' has been superseded by relativism and the invasion of the 'quotation mark'. Hooray! We're free.... Mediocrity wins! This is evolution, can't you see?? 'Mediocrity' has always been in abundance - there is no Golden Age in which the vast majority were artistic geniuses. The difference is..now, crap can self publish! Anyone can post on this site...no test of poetic skill has to be passed...good or bad thing? Oh, sorry...'good' or 'bad' thing? But how to judge a poetic genius in a post relativistic age? How do we define Quality? Become a published poet with thirty or more years of experience.......What? Can't be bothered....too hard, takes too long? 'Your judgement is just as good as anybody elses'? How about Josie's suggestion that the greatest amount of hits equals the best poet? (Or, even more frightening..that Market Researchers might be the solution!) Josie suggests...the reading public 'don't need educating'..they already know what's good and bad..in other words we make our own opinion the only one that really counts.....and then we just take a consensus of this mass of attitude. Josie:'If you bought a bad product once, would you go to the same shop again?' Nobody is spending well earned dosh here. People keep reading the bad stuff because it's car crash...'let's see how bad it can get!' (then we return to view the wreckage again and again, seeing what others make of it) Your analogy might work if we did have to pay a few pence to view a poet's work. The markey economy decides! (GW would disappear overnight.) Personally, I'm all for elitism. Good and bad are gone forever...but shallow and deep are here to stay! The general public are a herd of dunces that wouldn't recognise great art if it came and crapped on their Ikea sofa |
nothing new! Written by fellpony (1617 comments posted) 16th March 2008 |
I'm sure writers have been complaining about other writers since writing began. I'm just in a quirky ( = irritating) mood today. If it gets people thinking, that's more than enough  |
Pam Ayres alive and well Written by NathanRoberts (277 comments posted) 16th March 2008 |
Phil asked after Pam. Current amazon ranking puts her roughly 60,000 places ahead of ts eliot. I'm not a fan of either, but just checking the markey economy hypothesis as opposed to the Guardian's latest declaration regarding the great poets of the 20th century.
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Written by Phil (6730 comments posted) 16th March 2008 |
If Pam Aryes took a dump on my sofa I think I'd notice - and then set about her with a blunt instrument. Her faeces probably hold more art than her verse. Does it count if your sofa isn't Swedish? |
Written by Veronica_Milvus (637 comments posted) 16th March 2008 |
| I rather like Pam Ayres, and other comedy poets like John Hegley. I bet they make a shedload more money than "serious" poets. Pam is alive and well here in Oxfordshire and has taken up farming. She still performs her poems, I heard her on the radio the other week. |
Written by mia_ms_kim (1019 comments posted) 16th March 2008 |
"The general public are a herd of dunces that wouldn't recognise great art..." I'm ambivalent about this statement. I think it's true and untrue. For example: True: I do not really understand Einstein's theory, yet he was a great physicist. But I wouldn't recognise that because of my ignorance of physics. (But that's ok, he was communicating to fellow physicists and they recognised him.) False: But when someone far less brilliant than Einstein, reduced his theory to a level digestible to me, I could at least appreciate the wonder of it all, and got very interested in the world of physics. Do the same hold the true for poets? If a poet is appreciated only by other accomplished poets or great thinkers who know the art - does that make him/her great? Or the poets' ability to communicate his 'truth' to the general public, open their eyes and bring them into his world - does this make him/her great? Mia |
Give me a break! Written by beatricelouise (215 comments posted) 16th March 2008 |
I am a bit disconcerted in regards to this forum. I am here to learn, and I am here to read and look for great writers so I can read their works of art, but since I'm not great myself, does that make me unwelcome? Is that why I get one or two reviews? If so, than how will I ever come to be a word artist. I think that maybe we all need to scratch deeper for better results. But at the same time, if everyone on this site were geniuses, I doubt they would be here. BTW, good writing fellpony. |
Written by Robru (219 comments posted) 16th March 2008 |
| I just have to put my tuppence worth in here. Writers must be prepared to accept constructive criticism or we would all be buried in mediocraty. How can I learn to improve what I write if its accepted as it is all the time. I have a big country to write about and want ot do it well. A damn good write by fellpony. |
Written by Bottleblondesurfer (3362 comments posted) 16th March 2008 |
| I just wanted to say that I have no opinion at all on the matter. I think there are far too many opinions here already and someone expressing no opinion would make a welcome addition. |
Written by mia_ms_kim (1019 comments posted) 16th March 2008 |
By the way, I really thought this poem was witty and true, and I found fellpony's article, 'Why are you writing this?' extremely insightful. Mia |
Written by Diddi (80 comments posted) 16th March 2008 |
| I just had an idea for a poem/doggerel "The Constipated Poet." Or has it already been written? |
so there is ... Written by fellpony (1617 comments posted) 17th March 2008 |
Life in the poetry section yet. I must dip my mandibles in acid more often, yik yik yik |
PS Written by fellpony (1617 comments posted) 17th March 2008 |
| I am wryly amused that I first wrote this in 1975 and nobody has challenged the "Tate" remark being repeated in 2008. I take this to mean that either we none of us care about modern art, or the Tate is still being provocatively extraordinary? |
Modern art? Written by Bottleblondesurfer (3362 comments posted) 17th March 2008 |
....."that either we none of us care about modern art, or the Tate is still being provocatively extraordinary?" I don't think they are mutually exclusive statements,Sue. I think both still apply. I always say "If you can't hang it on the wall it ain't art" I can still remember when "an installation" ment having a back boiler fitted. It's not just the acidity of the expression but the qualtity of the writing. It was a great piece. |
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