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Written by Fledermaus (3321 comments posted) 8th April 2008 |
What I often think when I see someone with the crotch of his jeans hanging somewhere nearer to his knees than to his arse is how incredibly clumsy his movements are.
A woman might wear a tight skirt and high heels because she thinks it's sexy to stagger around, but why on earth would a man want to stagger??? Such guys walk like something between a penguins and a monkey rather than like men...
Not that I am so fashionable myself, but I can very well understand why women prefer men in suits over those who can't even buy the right size of pants... |
Written by patterjack (1196 comments posted) 8th April 2008 |
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How odd!
Written by patterjack (1196 comments posted) 8th April 2008 |
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This will be my last try to post -- a
Written by patterjack (1196 comments posted) 8th April 2008 |
Looks like it worked this time ! May apologies but I don't know what went wrong .
I wanted to say -- I never wear saggers -- my body shape is such that my pants fall down spontaneously unless I take great care with both belt and braces .
Should they sag near you , Mia , I supoose you would leap forward and give me a Tai Kwan Do wedgie !
But better in the end the dagger , than the bumcrack stubby so beloved of the rude artisan !
Women with thongs and more showing under hipsters : |
Didn't work properly
Written by patterjack (1196 comments posted) 8th April 2008 |
the heading should have read a last hitch
Then a typo uncorrected -- and to complete the comment about the women -- The Grand Canyon behind and The Black Forest before .
Done it ! -- you get four comments for the price of one !
patterjack |
Fledermaus, patterjack, thank you
Written by mia_ms_kim (1019 comments posted) 8th April 2008 |
for your comments. I'm glad men agree with me! Your review comments are so funny.
Fledermaus: I agree with everything you say. I just hope these men stop afflicting me with their wears! The suspense and the nervousness I feel whenever I see saggers - is not good for my heart. Women - I understand. They are trying to be attractive. But like you say, male saggers - some of them do look like delinquent penguins.
patterjack: the last hitch! Hilarious. You are giving me ideas. I should get a belt in Tae Kwan Do just to give those saggers a chop (wedgie?  ) . I wonder if I am a sexist. I don't find women's hipsters so offensive, but I do wonder why some women whose body shape cannot model them properly, wear them. Come to think of it, I found some of them rather embarrassing as a woman. Yes, I agree with you, patterjack.
Mia |
Written by Veronica_Milvus (638 comments posted) 8th April 2008 |
Women with "whale tails" are almost as bad as men in the visible Calvin Kleins. What have we come to as a society when there are brand names written round the waist of one's underwear, gold rivets on the pockets of jeans, and even a fashion in how women trim their pubic hair? It's all gone mad.
I agree, Mia, I want to pull up their jeans to save them from the embarrassment of looking like idiots. |
Veronica, thank you
Written by mia_ms_kim (1019 comments posted) 8th April 2008 |
Your comments make me think again about deeper issues. Yes, I think we are becoming a very strange soceity. Just how far would the current exhibitionism go?
Mia  |
Written by nsperfect71 (44 comments posted) 9th April 2008 |
Hi Mia,
I have a nephew who dresses like that and I'm so glad of the ammunition you've given me for when I next see him. I'd run out of things to say!
I think 'slipping control' and 'the chaotic' are just what these people are trying to reflect. Why? And more importantly, how come this 'style' - or lack of it - has been around for so many years?
A nicely rounded piece with clear, structured ideas - and a sense of humour for good measure. You're very good at non-fiction too! |
Thank you, nsperfect71
Written by mia_ms_kim (1019 comments posted) 9th April 2008 |
for your lovely compliment. I, too, have a little boy, and I worry what styles he might want to adopt when he grows up. I can abide by most styles, but saggers - they make my heart palpitate.
Mia  |
BRAVO!
Written by TomOBrien (68 comments posted) 10th April 2008 |
Well done and wll stated. Made me laugh and eager to read through to completion.
Loved the female hipster decription. "No hooks or corners." So nicely said. Good stuff!!
This sentance seems clunky. "But what I am concerned is not public decency. . ." Maybe, "concerned about is not. . . "
tom
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TomO, thank you
Written by mia_ms_kim (1019 comments posted) 10th April 2008 |
for your review. I'm glad you had a laugh. Thank you also for pointing out the error. I fixed it just now. (I'm now waiting for complaints from saggers - despite my warning and disclaimer in the intro.)
Mia |
Written by Phil (6738 comments posted) 10th April 2008 |
Enjoyed this, Mia. A fun piece to read. I've given up trying to rationalise the dress of those fortunate enough to be younger than me but stupid enough to wear their clothes differently. I'm arid the gruds I'm wearing just now would bar the legend: Asda - if I ever chose to inflict them on people.
Phil |
Phil, thank you
Written by mia_ms_kim (1019 comments posted) 10th April 2008 |
for your review. Maybe I should give up on the saggers, too, try meditation or something when one comes across my path... I, too, look like a horror movie at times when I'm browsing around GW. That's the beauty of Cyber community - we don't have to be inflicted with each other's visuals, just some verbal vitriols once in a while.
Mia  |
Written by Josie (2796 comments posted) 11th April 2008 |
| I have to tell you mia that I've never heard of sagger wear. Phil - do they have it in the North of England? There's nothing new in fashion in our house. My trousers will never sagger, I think, as there is too much to hold them up. I say "trousers" because in England, pants are what you call "underpants" - and we never call trousers "pants" - so for quite a while I was wondering why anyone would want to wear underpants that don't hold up. ha ha. - eg the low hanging pants. Perhaps I had in my mind the idea of men walking around with pants over their knees. (Say no more). No, it's time to put all of this out of my mind for the night. Well written mia. |
Josie, underpants in UK?
Written by mia_ms_kim (1019 comments posted) 11th April 2008 |
Thank you for your comments. "Pants" are "underpants" in UK? I had no idea. I think you call them panties over here. Actually I learned American English as a youngter, then I came to Australia, and I had no idea what ozzies were saying! "Welcome today" sounded like "Welcome to DIE!" Then I heard Brits speak - and I thought they were from Pluto. The Scots - from parallel universe. "Thongs" over here, you wear them on your feet. (Only later I found out Americans wear them differently.)
SOMEONE - STANDARDIS(Z)E ENGLISH, PLEASE!!!
And I'm amazed you've never seen a sagger. You must be living in Paradis(z?)e !
Mia |
I seenum, I seenum
Written by fellpony (1618 comments posted) 12th April 2008 |
and I've never understood how skateboarders can manage this style and still control their boards. Perhaps the low slung crotch stabilises the knees? saggers preventing staggers?
I enjoyed this piece - plus that supremely logical suggestion of "wear your underwear on the outside!"
I expect there is a piece to be written about English English and USA English. To clarify for you Mia -
English "trousers" = American "pants"
English "pants" = "underpants" (which are male and not the same as American "panties" which are female)
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Written by Lizzy (806 comments posted) 13th April 2008 |
I agree Mia I'm puzzled about how they stay fixed in place. Have you ever watched as a pair climbs the stairs of a bus fearful that every step sees them closer to the ground.
Anyway what's wrong with a nice well shaped 'bum' (bottom, derriere) in a tight pair of jeans!!!
Lizzy |
fellpony, Lizzy, thank you
Written by mia_ms_kim (1019 comments posted) 13th April 2008 |
for your reviews.
Actually I'm beginning to suspect that saggers must be securing their pants to their underwear with safety pins or velcro on the inside. There is no way those pants can hold up when they stateboard or climb up the stairs or do hiphop dance etc. It defies the law of gravity! If I'm right, it's so very uncool of them.
Thank you, fellpony, for clearing up the English/American use of "pants". I look forward to the piece on English English and USA English. I might try one on "Konglish" (English spoken by Koreans.)
Lizzy, I agree. Nicely covered-up bottoms are far more attractive in my opinion. A good cut of fabric covers a multitude of sins...
Mia |
Slang for nether garments
Written by patterjack (1196 comments posted) 13th April 2008 |
I have called those garments either one or t'other of pants or trousers -- for 70 years now.
I have not been able to keep up with some modern terms - eg daks , underdaks - and what I once heard called under-rots !
patterjack
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patterjack, I've never heard
Written by mia_ms_kim (1019 comments posted) 13th April 2008 |
of daks, underdaks, or under-rots! Pants and trousers, I've learned from my earliest English lessons, to be long two-legged variety outer garments. Underwears to me are underwear, undies, undergarment, underclothes, briefs, boxers, panties - I can't think of any more.
Actually Koreans generally call them "Ban-tz", it's their way to saying "pants" in Korean. Ahhh... That must come from British English. What I learn from GW!
Mia |
Written by Phil (6738 comments posted) 13th April 2008 |
| What about: grudders? |
Phil, grudders?
Written by mia_ms_kim (1019 comments posted) 13th April 2008 |
Never heard of them. I thought you were talking about some brand name. But if not, "grudders" conjure up images best forgotten, I think...
Mia  |
Written by Phil (6738 comments posted) 13th April 2008 |
| How about: skids, smalls, bags, Ys, gruds (for short), wangers? |
Phil, I hate to be
Written by mia_ms_kim (1019 comments posted) 13th April 2008 |
deep and meaningful about this, but the existence of so many slangs for underwear in the English language makes me wonder, why? I used to wonder if the English culture is historically stoic, even with a desire not to face some things, and that accompanies many "euphemisms".
As far as I know, there are only three words for underwear in Korean: two neutral terms - underclothes, "Ban-tz", and "panty" for ladies. The last two are borrowed words from English. Left on their own, Koreans probably would have had just one word for it.
There are also many English terms for toilet (it's hard for English learners.): bathroom, restroom, WC, ladies' room, mens' room (ladies/mens for short), outhouse, loo, powder room...
Koreans have two terms for it, "toilet" and "powder room". The Korean term for toilet literally means "poo place", but by using respectable Chinese words for it, they manage not to sound crude. Korean term for "powder room" (lit. makeup room) concedes the fact that the facility is now used more than to answer the call of nature.
I generally find, oriental culture tends to be more matter-of-fact concerning facts of life including underwear, toilet -- and ultimate matters of life like death, also. We tend to call spade a spade, and rant when ranting is required, then be done with it, I think.
Mia - I might have heard of "smalls" a million years ago.... |
Written by Phil (6738 comments posted) 13th April 2008 |
There's an English term remarkably similar to the Korean 'poo house,' though far more crude. It rhymes with White House. Perhaps, while liking euphemisms, the English do direct pretty well after all. There's a poem in here somewhere - or even a whole series - euphemisms.
Phil |
Phil, White House?
Written by mia_ms_kim (1019 comments posted) 13th April 2008 |
I think I get it. I wouldn't be surprised if in your mind, they are one and the same. Actually wasn't there an English King called Charles the Fat. And Chaucer, from what I remember from school, was a rather talented English poet majoring on the crude. That makes me wonder, perhaps euphemisms and political correctness are later inventions of the English-speaking culture?
I will look up the euphemism poetry sometime (if I can dig it up).
And as for your comment on Kevin Rudd (on Stephen's non-fiction piece), I know what you mean. I worry because he is so popular. The best of people don't seem to handle success well. From a height, I guess it's so much easier to fall. But I hope Kevin Rudd will soar. I pray for the man because I feel responsible for voting for him. I even spoke out for him in the local paper interviews, not realising how many people would recognise me afterwards. Some locals still look at me coldly. (I live in John Howard's former seat that ousted him.) And even those rare people who handle success well, probably have 10 good years in them at most, no more. I hope Kevin Rudd will give his best years, then go in glory.
Mia |
Written by woody44 (775 comments posted) 23rd April 2008 |
But then I could never understand` trunk` for the boot of a car.
How about keks?
Nice, comment-forming piece Mia.
Roger |
Roger, keks?
Written by mia_ms_kim (1019 comments posted) 23rd April 2008 |
Thank you for your comments. "Keks", I found out, is German biscuit??? "Trunk" used to be another source of my confusion - suitcase, boot of a car, main body (human, animal or tree), elephant's nose?, and boxers. It's no wonder I'm bewildered.
Mia |
keks
Written by fellpony (1618 comments posted) 23rd April 2008 |
Is Indian, "khachh" meaning "self restraint". Though I doubt if saggers quite qualify.
"Actually wasn't there an English King called Charles the Fat." Nope, he was German :-) |
Fellpony, Indian keks?
Written by mia_ms_kim (1019 comments posted) 23rd April 2008 |
Thank you for your correction, fellpony. So Charles the Fat was German, not English. Keks is Indian, not German. (After all that discussion, I looked up underwear on wikipedia! German biscuit was the only thing that fit keks, orginally from English cake!)
So "Keks" is an Indian word for underwear that English have adopted? How interesting. Fancy calling undies "self-restraint." Saggers should definitely wear those.
Mia |
Good writing, Mia!
Written by beatricelouise (215 comments posted) 25th April 2008 |
I learned a few things tonight. Very interesting topic being discussed here.
I hate saggers, too. I don't think anything has ever been more hideous in the fashion world.
I wondered if anyone knows what a toque is? Is it purely Canadian? Or do other people wear them too? |
Beatrice, thank you
Written by mia_ms_kim (1019 comments posted) 25th April 2008 |
for your review. Toque - a Canadian hat? It is, isn't it, and not something sinister? I learn so much on GW.
Mia |
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