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Poetry
When I gets pissed off
By NathanRoberts
02 June 2008

It's all me me me usually, so now I gets a say.  Dashed off for fun...


Ego means I. I am. D'ya get it? Not ‘it'. That's Iddy boy over there (yes, he's part of you too, don't deny ‘it'!). Look, I'm a bit narky, but I've been the whipping boy of pseudo psycho babblers and social commentaters for long enough, methinks. ‘Egotists', I bloody hate that. What was wrong with ‘selfish' I ask you? Or ‘knobhead', for that matter...‘self-centered' if you want to posh it up. And as for ‘ego-ridden society'...don't drag my name into it. I know what you're saying but you're confusing the point. You can't get beyond me without building me up first. I can't stand rejection, you see. It all stems from childhood, Daddy told me that much. Nobody's born fully formed...pre-egoic, egoic, trans-egoic, that's the way it's gotta go. Mr egoless monk on the mat over there has got the healthiest ego going, he hasn't just swapped it for a packet of noodles and a dodgy haircut. It's all blinkin' semantics! Listen, this is what it comes down to...just try living one whole day without me, not knowing where your mouth ends and the nipple begins, you'll be in the police cells by sunrise, a padded one by noon. It's like that Jesus bloke said ‘before Abraham was, I am'. Now, was he a freaking    ‘egotist'?!   I ask you.

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Written by Phil (6645 comments posted) 2nd June 2008
Dashed off for fun - and fun it was. I don't see how this is poetry - but I don't care. It was well worth the read. From angels to blasphemy. Thin ice, Nathan, thin ice! 
 
Something different. Enjoyed. 
 
Phil

Written by NathanRoberts (277 comments posted) 2nd June 2008
HI Phil, well it ain't a short story...a concrete prose poem I'd call it. 'Blasphemy', 'thin ice'? Well, I guess it was a bit foolhardy taking on the weight of Freud and Christianity in a five minute flash poem, but it wasn't intended to cause harm. Jesus forgives me, I reckon...he's a very forgiving guy.
Concrete Angst!
Written by Katanga (1163 comments posted) 2nd June 2008
And I don't blame you! 
 
Here. but for the grace of a bottle of wine, go I . . . 
 
Pretentious, Moi? 
 
Please forgive my pompous review of your last piece. 
 
John X

Written by Bottleblondesurfer (3298 comments posted) 2nd June 2008
I'm puzzled by the term 'prose poem', it very cleverly pre-empts any criticism, though, because it's whatever you say it is. 
Whatever it is it had a an uninhibited brio and that strange passionately logical incoherence with little flashes of insight that you often get from drunken people. 
Interesting piece 
jane

Written by mia_ms_kim (974 comments posted) 2nd June 2008
I guess this is your commentry on the some branch of psychology overdone where you come from. (Don't exactly know what???) It sounds almost oriental.  
 
Actually I see the opposite where I am. It's all about 'me' over here from ads to pop psychology to religious teaching to books. It's all about 'healing the poor me', 'making the important me happy', 'claiming my rights', 'I deserve the best', 'fulfilling myself' - until I get tired of me, myself and I!!! Can I PLEASE get away from MOI??? To me, some less ego is a welcome relief and rest!!! 
 
This was interesting, but hard to read because of the format. But I guess the presentation was part of the message??? Kind of in your face??? 
 
The comment on Jesus, I found very interesting as a Christian. To me he represents healthy ego - no self-denigration in the guise of false humility or stifling self-absorption which is often an indication of diseased self-image. 
 
Again very interesting, Nathan. 
 
Mia 8)
Thanks!
Written by NathanRoberts (277 comments posted) 3rd June 2008
Katanga: Cheers, hope you enjoyed the wine...it's one way to transcend your self for a few hours! Not sure it was particularly angsty though... 
 
Jane: Thanks, I think. Though I wasn't drunk when I wrote it, the words did spew out somewhat and are a bit disorderly.  
 
'I'm puzzled by the term 'prose poem'' 
 
Prose poetry and it's defining characteristics are still being debated after over a 100 years. I suppose you could say this piece is as much 'anti poetry'. It adopts the prosaic nature of spoken language but arranges it in a form deriving from poetry (concrete or pattern poetry). 
 
'it very cleverly pre-empts any criticism, though, because it's whatever you say it is.' 
 
This is probably one for the 'Poet's Tavern' but...I think it's valid to continually challenge what poetry is and what it isn't. This is not a 'get out clause' to excuse poor writing. This current piece is a bit throwaway due to the speed of it's composition, but I thought it had enough value to be worth posting.  
 
My current understanding is that rhyme and form are not the essential defining characteristics of poetry, but rhythm is. Because of it's broken up, totally disordered rhythm, you could argue that this piece is not a poem, but the counter argument goes: at which point do we decide the rhythm is too disordered...the first line, the tenth?  
 
 
Mia: 'This was interesting, but hard to read because of the format. But I guess the presentation was part of the message??? Kind of in your face??? ' Yes, the format was a bit of whimsy...shape poetry in the form of the letter 'I' (sans serif!). The tone was deliberate...some rather dry concepts that perhaps needed a less dry presentation. 
 
'The comment on Jesus, I found very interesting as a Christian. To me he represents healthy ego' 
 
The poem is cheekily ambiguous on this, but the implication is there: Jesus had a very healthy ego (like the monk) because he fully transcended his ego, his small self. So, I agree with you.  
 
As for your comments on the 'me culture': No difference over here. Narcissism is rife in the self help culture. It's a complex issue, which the poem is only hinting at...in order to transcend the ego (become selfless) you need to have a healthy functioning ego. Arguments abound as to how you go about doing this. 

Written by NathanRoberts (277 comments posted) 3rd June 2008
Mia: 'I guess this is your commentry on the some branch of psychology overdone where you come from. (Don't exactly know what???)' 
 
Well, actually it was influenced by a line in one of Patterjack's recent poems 'ego ridden humans', I think. It got me thinking about the way we use the term 'ego', it's possible meanings which then led to ideas about healthy and unhealthy ego, trancending the ego etc...all the confusions caused by semantics. Egotism is essentially an unhealthy devolpment of the ego, not something inherently bad about the ego itself...

Written by shirley_keeldar (67 comments posted) 4th June 2008
I liked the form of this work, I can picture it being performed. 
 
You show an amazing sense of humour here and that made me disagree about it being angst, because I think angst is self important and melodramatic, your work is neither. 
 
L :grin

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