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Commas and Full Stops (Periods)
Written by fellpony
27 September 2008
I have colleagues, as well as students, in Higher Education who have difficulty in distinguishing between the uses of the comma (,) and the full stop or period (.).

So here are some thoughts.

We're only talking about little marks on the page that help us to group words into logical strings called sentences, or that break up the strings into groups called phrases.

Full Stops

The full stop tells us that the grouped words we've just read are one logical entity or one organic whole. Reading aloud, when we reach a full stop we allow the voice to drop slightly, which tells listeners that we've completed the thoughts in that sentence.

Usually there will have been a couple of nouns (or pronouns) and a verb in there:

The player (noun) hit (verb) the ball (noun). Full stop - we get the picture.

The trouble with my students is that, when they want to say more, they add more without considering the structure. For example:

The player hit the ball, it flew over the stands.

ARGH!

Joining sentences

The words in that example form two sentences:

The player hit the ball. It flew over the stands.

If you want to make the two sentences into one, then use a word such as AND, BUT, WHILE, ALTHOUGH, BECAUSE, AS, THAT, WHICH. You can have a lot of fun discovering new meanings and subtle implications behind simple actions by playing with these.

The player hit the ball AND it flew over the stands.
The player hit the ball AS it flew over the stands.
The player hit the ball BUT it flew over the stands.
The player hit the ball WHILE it flew over the stands.
The player hit the ball ALTHOUGH it flew over the stands.
The player hit the ball BECAUSE it flew over the stands.

You'll find interesting effects can come from adding or omitting commas with the word "which":

The player hit the ball, WHICH flew over the stands.
The player hit the ball and, as a result, it flew over the stands.

The player hit the ball WHICH flew over the stands.

The player just hit that ball, but there might have been others. It might well have been flying over the stands before he hit it. If you meant this, it would help to change the verb from past to past continuous, or pluperfect:
The player hit the ball WHICH WAS FLYING over the stands. (Past continuous tense, something going on happening.)
The player hit the ball WHICH HAD FLOWN over the stands. (Pluperfect tense, something already completed.)

Alternatively use THAT:
The player hit the ball THAT flew over the stands.

These are quite different meanings, and the difference originated from the insertion of one comma. (That's why legal documents don't use them.)

Commas in Lists

Commas are used to separate items in lists:

Bill, Harry, Joe, Fred and Mary all ran down the hill together.

The comma here is replacing the word AND:

Bill and Harry and Joe and Fred and Mary all ran down the hill together.

The comma lightly "puts the brakes on" their run. This kind of list doesn't need a comma in front of the last "and" because it is not replacing it.

Sometimes you will need a comma after the last-but-one item in a list to make it clear that the last two items are not a joined pair:

Egg and cress, salmon and cucumber, ham and chutney, cheese, and scrambled egg, were the fillings on offer.


I'm in two minds whether the last comma needs to be there, myself. I've put it in because it feels like the reader-aloud needs to pause for breath before completing the sentence. However you could equally argue that it's unnecessary.

Commas as voice instruction

Earlier, I wrote:
Reading aloud, when we reach a full stop we allow the voice to drop slightly, which tells listeners that we've completed the thoughts in that sentence.

This also gave clues about how this sentence should be spoken, with pauses after "aloud" and "slightly". It's also another example of "a comma and WHICH" being used to imply a result.

Commas surrounding asides

I am guilty of using too many parenthetic asides (like this one) in my sentence construction, and I have been trying very hard not to do so in this piece. I used to indulge in a lot of brackets (parentheses or braces) but I think I'm on the road to a cure.

I've gone via the comma route, rather than cold-turkey. Wherever you feel desperate to use brackets, try using a pair of commas instead:

Whatever your topic, from love poetry to Doctor Who or Harry Potter fan fiction, Great Writing's online writing group is where you can ...  improve your creative writing.

This works the same as:

Whatever your topic (from love poetry to Doctor Who or Harry Potter fan fiction) Great Writing's online writing group is where you can ...  improve your creative writing.

If the stuff between the brackets or the commas were to be removed, the sentence should still make sense:

Whatever your topic, Great Writing's online writing group is where you can ... improve your creative writing.

This works equally well in writing the "who-said-its" in dialogue. Notice that the commas and full stops go inside the quotation marks, whether single or double:

"Whatever your topic," said Fellpony, "Great Writing's online writing group is where you can ... improve your creative writing."

And that, says Fellpony (parenthetically) is quite enough about both of these jots and tittles.



Reviews

Written by Aurora (124 comments posted) 27th September 2008
Well I think this is a great piece of advice. I especially liked the examples showing how to use things as that is the best way to learn where they go. 
 
I have got to admit a few thing I didn't understand overcomplicated it for me.The use of: 
 
"parenthetically" and 
 
"it would help to change the verb from past to past continuous, or pluperfect:"  
 
Sorry, at the risk of sounding stupid, I have to admit I don't know what these mean!  
 
Thanks Fellpony, for taking the time to write this, it really has been very helpful!
Thank you Aurora
Written by fellpony (2924 comments posted) 28th September 2008
Thanks for your feedback. I have edited the piece now to make the "tense" remarks a bit clearer. I've left in "parenthetically" though, because I'm trying to summarise the comment I made about commas and brackets having a similar usage in that sense.

Written by Fledermaus (4146 comments posted) 30th September 2008
So the comma before the closing quotation mark... It's one of the reasons why I try to avoid thinks like: he said, he asked, he remarked, etc.  
Quotation marks as I learned them in primary school have gone out of fashion though... Even punctuation seems to suffer from globalization.

Written by grettle (59 comments posted) 22nd February 2009
Thank you for this. The older I get the more I need to be reminded of the correct way, darn those brain cells. I think you could add to this piece by giving a short paragraph without punctuation and letting the reader try their skill. Then of course showing the proper use. Thanks again.

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