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Who Am I? - Religious Identity
By johniebg
21 June 2006
This is a follow on to Who Am I? Realising you dont know. This was originally posted as just the questions detailed at the end of the essay because I couldnt explain in writing what was banging around in my head. I think its explained now so here we have the whole.

The original questions only post though got some really good responces and some healthy debate so is definately worth checking out the original post as well, but then I would say that! :)

This was actually recounted to me by a friend the other day who had been told this by the father, got that?

A father has two daughters. One is 18 and the other is 12. The 12 year old would like to be a nun. This makes her father very happy. He is a committed Christian and loves his 12 year old daughter.

His 18 year old daughter has just left home. She did not want to leave home, but was kicked out by her committed Christian father because she wanted to sleep over at her boyfriends, did sleep over at her boyfriends.

My very first books in school were of Jesus on water, Moses parting the red sea, Jesus feeding the 5000, Adam and Eve deliberating over the apple, Jesus healing and raising from the dead, Noah's Ark.

As soon as I got to school in the morning from the age of five through to eleven I was preached to by the headmaster, usually a saying from the bible and then we sang Christian hymns. All the major holidays in the year, Easter and Christmas were about glorifying religious iconography and repeating this message. I was essentially brainwashed from a very early age and it stuck deep, deep inside my psyche.

At the time of my great identity crises, circa 2002 my religious identity was technically that of a non practising Christian. I wasn't sure why though, other than I didn't find Christians to be very agreeable.

It felt very important to me that if I was going to find out 'Who I was' that I needed to start with my religious identity.

I started with a whole bunch of religion orientated questions that date back to the fundamental concepts I had been brainwashed with as a child. At the time I realised I didn't have a clue.

The questions are posted at the end of the essay with my answers as they stand today,

I did feel that if I could break down these questions and answer the 'why' I would at least have my feet firmer on the ground.

So I began. I listened to historical tapes and read books. Nothing dodgy or secret, just purchased from Amazon and the Teaching Company. I studied the life of Jesus, the world of Jesus, the emergence of Christianity after his death. I studied the religious writings of the time, saw how some of these became the New Testament. Studied the impact of Judaism on Christianity.

I soaked information up like I was a sponge. I studied the evolution of early Christianity into the Roman Catholic church, the middle ages and the impact it had on our culture even from then, the emergence of Europe through the first millennia, the emergence of England through the second. I studied the origins of Islam, what it stands for and its early history. I even studied the psychology of the mind, religion and existentialism.

You could of course study all this for a lifetime and not know everything in detail, but I had gathered a high level knowledge over a number of years, and is of course ongoing.

Through this, I now have a clear understanding of what I believe, feel very secure in my being here, what I stand for. Especially my place in all this.

Questions and Answers

Q:Do you think the Adam and Eve story happened? Why?

No I don't think the story is a real account. As a whole its meant to symbolise mankind's connection with god

Q:What do Adam and eve represent? Why?

They represent mankind's affiliation with god and that god exists because he created man.

Q:Did Jesus exist? What makes you so sure either way?

Historically its pretty certain that Jesus existed. There are just too many independent sources for them to all have made it up.

Q:Could Jesus perform miracles? How? Why?

Since the time of Jesus there is no documented evidence that anyone has been able to raise the dead, walk on water and be resurrected from dead as described in the New Testament. In the time of Jesus it was very popular for people to claim a prophet could perform miracles. Jesus was by far not the only one, just the only one still followed in our culture. Miracles are events that cannot be explained by the laws of nature. I believe no man can escape the laws of nature and therefore that Jesus was very unlikely to have performed miracles.

Q:Did Jesus raise from the dead? Yes or No? Why do you think this?

The simple answer is No for the reasons I stated above.

Q:Do I have a soul, what is it?

No I don't have a soul, I have a mind that is a consequence of my brain, life's experiences and some inherited morals

Q:When I die what will happen to that soul, why?

When you die, your brain functionality will cease, your heart will stop beating and your mind or concious with it. If you have children I believe that some part of your mind and morality passes to your children. I havent quite worked that one out yet though.

Q:Does Christianity teach us the morals of life? Why?

Christianity teaches us the morals of life it wants us to abide by. Some of them are wrong and there are many worthwhile ones that are not included

Q:If not are we immoral?

No mankind like all of natures product are born with base morals, at least most of us. Unfortunately not rearing humans to a moral code can result in immorality, but then your probably defining immorality by Christian standards.

Q:Do you believe in heaven and hell? Why?

No to both. Hell is a construct to scare the living shit out of us. Heaven is man's answer to immortality.

Q:Do you believe in god? What is his role?

Now then, yes I believe in god as a concept but not as a supernatural power, I even think I know where god is.

Q:If I don't have a soul what am I?

Homo Sapien

Q:Do you believe in evolution? Why?

It seems the most likely origin for life on this planet based on the information we have at this time.

Q:Is everything around us, our very being a consequence of nature and not god?

Yes, it does seem the most likely explanation.

Q:Do you think we are here for a purpose, what is it?

Yes. To live, breed and die, just like the rest of nature.

Q:So what makes man so special

I don't really know. We are technically bigger than most things on the planet, and there have primarily been more of us than anything else. Our brain does also seem to be more advanced than most others, although we have only really applied it in the last four hundred years.

Q:Is the bible the word of god?

No. The bible is the word of man, written around his need for a god.

Reviews
Huge questions
Written by Leo (573 comments posted) 21st June 2006
Another really well crafted and thought provoking piece. There is such a lot in here. I hope you get lots of considered replies, it's a subject that can raise a huge amount of fierce debate on both sides. 
 
On a personal level, I don't seem to have the brain power required to contemplate such massive questions. I tend to focus on answering more mundane questions like 'is that medium or large fries sir?' 
 
Anyway good luck, and as i said this is great writing. 
 
Best regars
Thought provoking
Written by ceramix (24 comments posted) 23rd June 2006
As a philosophy student I studied a lot of moral philosophy and that is how I came to do most of my thinking about religion. Like most people in this country I was christened but I don't have any real religious beliefs and I don't think that humans are much different to other animals, apart from out ability to wreak so much havoc on the planet. Not that many people are prepared to look at the status of our species without some kind of self-protective belief system (religion, humanism) because it upsets them. I agree with a lot of your questions and answers. Have you read 'Straw Dogs' by John Gray? It covers a lot of the things you've written about and is a compulsive and challenging read.

Written by Phil (6738 comments posted) 20th December 2006
Very interesting read Johnie - and as always - well written. Thanks for pointing it out to me. 
 
I lack your background knowledge on the development of Christianity or other religions - although I am no numpty. I seems like a sensible way to go about finding your place in the world. As for your questions and answers, I would have answered almost identically for the vast majority of these. I think perhaps those that would have been different would have been so based on experience rather than belief. 
 
All the best, Phil.
Hm...
Written by Fledermaus (3323 comments posted) 20th December 2006
Unfortunately I didn't find this very surprising. It's the clear view of an agnost and a materialist (in the philosophical sense of the word). Nothing I hadn't heard before... 
 
Personally I think the most interesting aspect of Adam and Eve is the question whether God was angry over the forbidden fruit or not, and of course the mysterious Lillith, who was taken from the Christian bible... 
 
As for Jezus and the miracles, I think this should be considered in the religious context of that tiime. There was Mithras, Sol Invictus, Isis, the living emperor... So to compete with all these, Jezus had to be shown as a god, capable of the physically impossible. 
 
I liked the first half of this essay, but when you came to the questions I found the answers way too simplistic and predictable, sorry...
Very Funny Fledermaus ...
Written by johniebg (542 comments posted) 21st December 2006
... this is non fiction, what am I going to do, take a simple truth and embelish it? I leave that to those with faith. 
 
The question on weather god was angry over the forbidden fruit is redundant, because there is not a supernatural god, so why would I be interested hypothetically whether he would be angry. All these stories are designed by men to determine the nature of mans instincts to do what is forbidden. In the absence of the knowledge we have on evolution, they assumed there must have been a god and these were tests. 
 
The essay is a discussion on whether religion has any right over my self, as I believe that all religion is just a mechanism of man then all religions ideals and morals can be discarded, not leaving me immoral but capable of determining my own self of right or wrong. 
 
I am atheist: is there a supernatural god? of course not. 
 
Hi Johnie
Written by Fledermaus (3323 comments posted) 21st December 2006
You wanted a debate didn't you? 
But you're probably right that one can't add to what an honest opinion is. Considering the first half I just expected something more spectacular. 
 
As for Adam, Eve: I personally consider both Genesis and Revelations as interesting mythology, and no matter if one is religious or not, they pose some great thought-experiments and metaphors. 
 
Where the 'forbidden' fruit is concerned there are some interesting theories that claim that the eating of it was not so much a sin as well as a rational choice. By doing so, Adam and Eve decided to find out about good and evil for themselves, in other words, here they decide that they want to have a free choice (I know, yet another interesting contradiction). If so, God wouldn't have banished them from Eden as a punishment, but simply because it is part of the deal. 
 
As for the existence of God... The only rational explanation is that no-one knows and that it is unprovable, just as his non-existence is unprovable. Both religion and atheism are beliefs, not knowledge, but somehow people need to have some certainty, and thus many (including atheists) choose to believe in some unprovable 'truth'.

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