Anyone who knows of a nice, unattached 30-something man, please send him up to Cumbria. I have just listened to yet another depressing complaint from my daughter about the state of mankind up here!
I used to feel that I knew a lot of nice young men. Most of those I trained with at college were lovely blokes. None of us are in touch any more but I would bet most of them got married shortly after they found their feet in the workplace. Of those who did so, I would also bet that most of them are still married to the lass they chose or were chosen by. But the older I get the more I wonder: where have all the nice young men gone? That isn’t a yearning plea for lost youth and missed opportunities. I’m married too and I still consider my husband to be amongst those who are nice, and am glad that he manages to remain so despite much provocation on my part. He regularly updates his mocking-stock of self-adulatory phrases from ads on TV. While his basic “loveliness is Me-shaped” continues to be trotted out just as regularly as it has been ever since we wed, he has recently decided to be both a L’Oreal male (“because I’m worth it”), and a human Jaguar (“gorgeous is effortless”). Age, he tells me, has only added to his personal distinction. By contrast he disparages my figure in robust terms, except under certain conditions that I’m not silly enough to discuss in public. When I tell him firmly to shut up and get on with peeling the sprouts he just grins. And I grin back. I can retreat from his DIY work and sit alone at the computer typing for hours on end, or I can read and steal fruit and nuts from his weekly selection while he watches football; with a liberal use of the phrase, “Yes, dear,” he and I seem to rub along just fine. We have done so for over 30 years – give or take a year off for bad behaviour. However, during that give or take period, Graham and I actually got divorced before deciding that we really were better suited to each other than to anyone else. I did quite a lot of personal research at the time into the state of the middle-aged and supposedly nice guy. There were reasonable numbers of them about if you knew which stones to turn over. Mainly they were recovering divorcés, with one or two married shits deservedly on the way to that state. Some were ordinary and quite nice looking, most were ordinary and nothing to write home about. One or two were truly lovely men whose disappearance on my remarriage still makes me vaguely sad. They knew they were not handsome, but they were kind and helpful, funny and self-deprecating, and genuinely good to be with. I would not embarrass them now by trying to get back in touch nor by putting their names in print here, because I hope that each has found someone good to share that funniness and kindness. Whoever she is, they certainly deserve her and she doesn’t need to know anything about me, but consider yourselves thanked, boys, for being friends; for being nice. I hear you asking, gentle reader: “why are you fretting about the state of the gender Male, if you have been happily married for so long?” Well, Graham and I have a daughter, and all the men she tells me about seem to have suffered a personality arrest somewhere in late adolescence. The thirty-somethings of her acquaintance are by turns feckless, selfish, possessive, immature, self-pitying, controlling, violent, or criminal. The only adolescent self-indulgences they don’t seem to display are alcohol or drugs. It might seem reasonable to put Jen’s attraction of dead-heads down to some failure on our part. It’s always a parent’s fault. Did I omit to point out her father’s sterling qualities to her? or did she perhaps became deaf from an overdose of his mocking self-praise? But there's plenty of evidence that Jen’s girl friends have also been coupled to dreadful men, who crave a woman barely out of her teens who preferably has no ideas of her own. They treat children, if the girls have them, as trophy possessions, and the responsibility of partnership appears to be entirely foreign to them. When I listen to the tales the girls tell and through them see the posturings of the young males, I am irresistibly reminded of Attenborough’s nature programmes, detailing the behaviour of a tribe of macaques or chimpazees. Maybe it’s something in the water round here. It’s a shame they weren’t bred near enough to the nuclear reprocessing plant to have grown up with two heads, as a visible statement of their peculiarities. Yet, I know from my personal research that older and middle aged men can be nice guys. Among the younger boys whom I observe at the University, whether they struggle or sail through their studies, the nice do outnumber the awful by about four to one. So why is my daughter’s generation having such a hard time, the ones who should be in the best part of their lives, enjoying relationships and raising a family? The mothers of my own age, like centuries of Cumbrian women before them, did a good job in educating their daughters to be strong and independent women. However, somewhere along the line they must have forgotten to pass on self-assurance to their sons; because it seems to me it must be inadequacy that prevents young men being nice these days. Perhaps my husband, in his retirement, should open a charm school for them. |
interesting Written by johniebg (538 comments posted) 19th January 2007 | I really enjoyed reading this, sometimes felt like you had too much to say for it to be as snappy and as enjoyable as some of your other essays, but this is a very interesting topic for which you have just skimmed the surface. I do find it ammusing when humans: Disparage the opposite sex Disparage all not born of their own loins I could of course weave a sadder tale (which you could not doubt retort) on the woe involved in finding a female 30 something partner which I can assure you would read like a 100 step guide to understanding and managing Psychosis. This amused, rubbed me up the wrong way and entertained which I guess is an indication of its quality. Good stuff. | Written by Witzl (1585 comments posted) 19th January 2007 | I enjoyed reading this, and I am impressed that you got divorced, then got married again -- good for you. Whenever I see a couple who have been happily married for decades, I always think they ought to be wearing matching tee-shirts that read 'Don't Try This Yourselves, Kids.' Staying married is tough work even for people who love and get along with each other. If one party is immature and selfish, you might as well just stay single and childless and spare yourselves and everyone else the trauma. As for the apparent paucity of nice young men in Cumbria, I think that charm school is actually a great idea. While he's at it, he might want to show the boys how to replace the toilet roll in the bathroom: mastering that trick is sure to win a girl's heart.
| next... Written by patterjack (1159 comments posted) 19th January 2007 | ...we'll be hearing the old complaint about his leaving the toilet seat up . I dunno-- but if an old fat hairy conceited bugger like me can stay married to an opinionated , fussy conservative female for 55 years , what the hell is the matter with the modern twits -- male or female ? Out here in Oz one hears consistent complaints along the same lines as Jen and her friends promote -- I have my own theories as to why the blokes are commitment shy with the complaining females , but in the end the younger ones of both sexes just have to buckle down and decide on their courses of action for themselves . Me -- I am happy -- and i find it difficult to worry about a generation that selfishly wants to have happiness spoon fed to them. patterjack | and after next ... Written by fellpony (1580 comments posted) 20th January 2007 | All this stuff has been simmering away for the last two years, and just popped out briskly last night after yet another phone call from Jen that just happened to involve one of her girlfriends and her boyfriend. "the younger ones of both sexes just have to buckle down and decide on their courses of action for themselves" Dead right patterjack, and don't think I don't hear that subtext underneath everything I put into this piece... that there is something wrong with the girls too and they have to sort it out for themselves - we can't do it for them. But you'd never expect me, as a female, to admit to all that, now would you! JBG, maybe you should write that view from the other side of the gender divide? FP | Written by Witzl (1585 comments posted) 20th January 2007 | Personally, I blame television. And Hollywood. They have sold us the notion that love ought to be 100%: heart-stopping romance, dynamite sex, caring, sharing, having-it-all. He has to be handsome and sensitive, she has to be a gorgeous superwoman-type, and so on -- ad nauseam. And we're to blame too, because we buy this. Then we look at the imperfect reality we have and assume that we must be doing something wrong. Younger people don't want to settle for imperfection, it seems; such a shame. My husband and I certainly did this, and we've hardly ever looked back. I think it is a mark of how well written your essay is -- and how topical this subject is -- that we all want to comment on the subject rather than on the quality of the piece. So let me just say that it is very good and provided a much enjoyed read.
| Written by Fledermaus (3238 comments posted) 20th January 2007 | The problem is girls, not guys When I look around in my circle of male friends I'm often stunned at what kind of people seem to attract women. There are those who cheat and deceive, with a wicked sense of humour and absolutely no shame. They have four or five girlfriends at the same time and are always hunting for another prey. Meanwhile there are others, who are kind, loyal, hard working, good-looking and funny and they seem absolutely unable to get a girlfriend. It sometimes seems as if many girls are so distracted by Prince Charming that they don't even recognize Mr. Right. when he knocks on their door. I guess that pride and Prejudice would have had quite a different ending if it was based on reality... | Written by fellpony (1580 comments posted) 20th January 2007 | I think Witzl's take on it is right. Spike Milligan made much the same observation about life in general in his war memoirs, something along the lines of needing to "be" a film star all the time because you watched too many films (for which, nowawdays, read "TV dramas" or "DVDs" or possibly even computer games). "Hollywood sold us short. If I played the trumpet I was Bunny Berrigan, if I crooned I was Bing Crosby, but who was i when I was washing my socks?" I may not have the quotation quite right. Maybe there is at least one other piece in this and possibly more; I know I was only scratching the surface. I was thinking over these reviews during house tidying this morning, and came to the same conclusion as Witzl, that if people who review talk mostly about the subject and not the writing, you probably got it right. My thanks to all of you :-)
| Written by ellipinnock (1753 comments posted) 20th January 2007 | I was going to comment on this as a member of the younger generation but as I mostly feel 21 going on 40 (to the great amusement of my parents) and am happily settled with imperfection (great phrase witzl!) I feel that to comment in that vein would be fraudulent So I'll just say that I though the piece well written, enjoyed reading it and find myself agreeing with the idea that the Hollywood notion of perfect romance has ruined normal relationships for many people. I really dont know where they get it from - the men of my acquaintance have overwhelmingly been terrible at spontaneous romantic gestures! But I guess somewhere out there this must not be the case Great stuff. Elli | Written by Phil (6645 comments posted) 20th January 2007 | I've not much to add really, almost all has been said, and I agree with just about all of it. Perhaps it's a case of style over substance - as much is these days. When the style is stripped away, there's not a great deal of substance left. Perhaps that explains why the 'nice guys' (according to Fledermaus) struggle. Phil |
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