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Non-Fiction
Thank God
By Snodlander
20 February 2007
Oh, I am going to regret this so much

Thank God I’m not an atheist.  I believe.  I am also a scientist (well, not actually a scientist, but a follower of science).  The mistake many people on both sides of the argument make is thinking that the two are in any way related.  That there is in fact only one argument.  It is possible to believe in Intelligent Design as well as Evolution.  One is the why, the other the how.  They are unrelated, which is why the scientific community (by definition intelligent and logical) is made up of believers, agnostics and atheists.

It is as arrogant and misguided to use science to disprove religion as it is for religion to disprove science.

But if I were an atheist, oh what an atheist I would make.  I would pursue the logic of atheism with a scientific zeal.  For this, it seems to me, is the reasoning of the logical atheist I would be.

In a Godless world, everything boils down to physics and chemistry.  Certain compounds react so with other compounds.  Some have an affinity for others.  And as they mix and congeal over millennia the more stable reactions persevere.  Some compounds generate a boundary layer inside which the reactions are isolated.  These we shall call cells, for want of a better label.

How many cells formed and dissolved in the turmoil of the primeval soup, before one accidentally produced a self-sustaining chemical reaction that resulted in its twin growing, like a crystal growing in a salt solution?

And in time, the reactions became more complicated, and more long-lived, and more self-sustaining.  It is simple logic.  If two chemicals burn side by side, but because of the environment one gutters and dies, that is the end of the reaction.  This in a nutshell is evolution, and scientifically is the best, most logical theory we have.

So Mankind is merely a chemical reaction, different from a burning coal or candle only in the complexity of its reactions.  Thought is just tiny electrical pulses skittering through a medium like Brownian smoke particles trapped in air.

There is no God, there is only the laws of physics and chemistry.

Society is an illusion.  A coal fire burns better if the coals are heaped together.  Similarly, the human coals burn when organized into a co-operative group.  There is neither good nor bad.  ‘Good’ is a pattern of electrical currents that are more likely to be sustainable than another pattern (let’s call those patterns ‘bad’).  If a candle burns better away from a draught, do we lay upon the draught a burden of moral impropriety?  Is the draught ‘bad’?  Is the still air ‘good?

Morality is a delusion.  If a candle gutters and dies, is there moral outrage?  Do we condemn the other candle that stole its oxygen?  Why should we care if another candle burns well, or burns at all?  If lightning that strikes a thousand miles away hits one millimetre to the left or right, should I be bothered?  Then why should I be bothered if a tiny current goes down one path (let’s call that ‘happiness’) or another (signposted ‘misery’).  It is merely physics after all, and stronger electrical currents are coursing the seas and skies all the time.

Art, religion, philosophy?  Just words to describe certain electrical patterns, so confused and arbitrary no-one can agree on them.

Love, hate, emotion?  Imposters all.  In the right mix, they are electrical currents and chemical messages that survive better than other mixes.

Rights?  What rights?  Does salt dissolving into a river have rights?  Does a candle have a right to consume oxygen?  Does the oxygen have a right not to be consumed?  Rights are the label we give to those circumstances that prolong our chemistry.

Do we even have a right to exist?  Of course not.  No more than any other reaction.  Certainly no more than any reaction we label ‘life’.  How are we different from the tomato or the lettuce we eat?  Why should man alone have rights that other phenomena don’t?

What’s the point?  What’s the point of breathing, of living?  Why not snuff our flame out?  But that is to miss the point.  Survival and suicide are equally pointless.  We have evolved to survive simply because that is the process that burns the best.  And soon, ever sooner, the candle will have consumed all the available resources, and like a forest fire will eventually burn itself out.  Till then, we burn, passing the flame onto the next generation, mindlessly, helplessly, because that’s what this particular chemical reaction does.

Is there a God?  What is the point if there is not?

Reviews

Written by johniebg (538 comments posted) 20th February 2007
Well I doubt you should have cause to regret this, but I have to say Snodders I could hug you for bringing this question up, I have been waiting for something like this for such a long time :D 
 
Loved the first sentence. 
 
I find it interesting that you proclaim a faith and then immediately set about deconstructing scientific claims for a truth, rather than explaining to us what your faith is, which would have been a much more effective. 
 
I have hardly any scientific knowledge and need none to emphatically deconstruct religion. But is religion a path to god for you? what god is yours? and why does this god mean so much? We need this information to effectively consider your essay and to comment. 
 
Looking forward to locking horns on this one ...

Written by Witzl (1585 comments posted) 20th February 2007
This is a coincidence: I just posted something about fundamentalism in short stories, without even glancing at your post first. 
 
I believe in God because I can't really help myself; it seems to be hard-wired in me. Or rather I believe in Good, in the importance of human love and living a responsible, thoughtful life. The fundamentalists I grew up with would probably see me as a dangerous, Godless atheist, but then the fundamentalists I grew up with thought that Billy Graham was a libertarian.  
 
I too look forward to reading the locked-horn debate; I'm rooting for both of you. And for what it's worth, I found this a well-written, intelligent piece of work -- and funny, too. 
 
HI Snodlander
Written by jean.day (2279 comments posted) 20th February 2007
I enjoyed your logic and scientific arguments. I thought you did a very good job for the atheists. I'm married to a chemist and scientist, and he would go along with your analysis of life. 
 
I make no secret of the fact that I am a Catholic, and therefore believe in God. But I think everyone has the right to decide how they want to react to the question about belief - and each person's efforts to figure this all out for themselves is equally valid. I have to admit part of sticking with my religion is because to me it is a part of my childhood - and of what made me who I am. I am certainly not a rule follower, for the most part - except the ones I like and therefore choose to follow.

Written by Snodlander (501 comments posted) 20th February 2007
Ah, but Johnie, that is altogether a different battle. I fully accept that my personal belief, my God and religion, is something that could be objectively attacked. That, to a large extent, is what a personal religion is about: belief. Similarly, it would be difficult to prove or rationalise my love of my wife to a third party. That is a different debate from whther love exists. 
 
I deliberatley kept this to the more open question; Does God Exist? My argument being, if he doesn't, then isn't everything else pretty much pointless. 
 
Should I eat fish on Friday or refrain from eating pork are details of personal faith that can be sorted out after the big questions like does He exist and does He care about us if he does exist. Personally, I find myself increasingly less dogmatic as the years roll by, and more liberal and open to different ideas. 
 
And what the hell you found to laugh at, Witzl, is beyond me. Honestly.
Nicely Done
Written by richard (88 comments posted) 20th February 2007
A nice chatty piece which (for me at least) took some of the sting out of it by the way it was written - so very effective at getting me to read the argument without discarding a view as I read it. Some nice one-liners. Only criticism was that there was almost a danger of laying too much out in the paragraphs on morality, art, rights, - too quickly. 
 
Very Teilhard de Chardin in concept I think, if I can remember anything from an elective taken thirty years ago.....which I may not be able to.

Written by Witzl (1585 comments posted) 20th February 2007
Here is what I found to laugh at (and rest assured that I was laughing with you, and not at you, and I only laughed in the appropriate places. Plus, I was paying attention): 
 
1) "Thank God I'm not an atheist." Admit it -- this is funny.  
 
2) "But if I were an atheist, oh what an atheist I would make." I am mindful that you are using this as a device, but all the same, it is funny.  
 
I suspect you are funny the same way I believe in God; you just can't help yourself. And you can't even see it!

Written by Phil (6713 comments posted) 20th February 2007
Really cleverly written throughout - and it was funny. Was it effective for me as an argument? Not really, just propounds a personal view - and I'm less close-minded than you might think. There is more to heaven and earth than we understand, there even might be a god - but life is all the more worth living if there isn't. 
 
Enjoyed. 
 
Phil.

Written by Bottleblondesurfer (3352 comments posted) 20th February 2007
Well argued and presented but unfortunatley totally pointless as there is no God 
"My argument being, if he doesn't, then isn't everything else pretty much pointless." ---Q.E.D 
cheers 


Written by Fledermaus (3281 comments posted) 20th February 2007
Totally and completely agree! :grin Although I sometimes forget that myself :P Science and religion cannot explain each other. A certain special person in my live, who's a wonderful scientist AND a devout catholic put it simply: When she is doing science, she doesn't ask about religion. When she's in church, she doesn't care about science.

Written by teddy (240 comments posted) 20th February 2007
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." (Albert Einstein) 
 
Amusing assessment on a very much debated topic. 
I very much liked the introduction, poking fun at us right from the start.  
 
'Does salt dissolving into a river have rights?' - perhaps not, but it can't help it since it's so highly soluble in water:-) 
 
teddy 
 

Written by anorwegianwood (278 comments posted) 20th February 2007
I thank you for this. I'm an atheist, so I don't agree, but I liked hearing this view. I hate it when people go, "Oh, that's why you're a science major" when they find out I'm an atheist, like science and religion are mutally exclsuive and we have to choose one or the other. So many people (including some atheists) forget that atheism is ALSO a belief, and just as impossible to prove as religious beliefs. It's interesting to read this perspective.

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